# OpenPBS Support On Ubuntu 22.04

**URL:** <https://community.openpbs.org/t/openpbs-support-on-ubuntu-22-04/3960>\
**Category:** Users/Site Administrators\
**Created:** [August 5, 2024, 10:29am UTC](https://community.openpbs.org/t/openpbs-support-on-ubuntu-22-04/3960 "2024-08-05T10:29:42Z")\
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**Author:** ![bhushan27](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8baadc/32.png) [@bhushan27](https://community.openpbs.org/u/bhushan27)\
**Post date:** [August 5, 2024, 10:29am UTC](https://community.openpbs.org/t/openpbs-support-on-ubuntu-22-04/3960/1 "2024-08-05T10:29:42Z")

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Hello Community,  
Currently we’re migrating from CentOS 7 to Ubuntu 20.04 for our cloud based HPC cluster and using scheduler OpenPBS. And right now we’re in bad shape as next year May 2025 Ubuntu 20.04 Maintenance support will be end. So moving out of OpenPBS will be going to great challenge for us as openpbs does not support ubuntu 20.04 onwards.  
So Is there possibility to get OpenPBS version support on Ubuntu 22.04 in 2025?

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**Author:** ![giovanga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@giovanga](https://community.openpbs.org/u/giovanga)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 8:24am UTC](https://community.openpbs.org/t/openpbs-support-on-ubuntu-22-04/3960/2 "2024-08-11T08:24:29Z")

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This is a very hot topic, i think common for many of us.  
Is there anyone who is working on this problem?

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**Author:** ![JulioCesarChaves](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.openpbs.org/juliocesarchaves/32/760_2.png) [@JulioCesarChaves](https://community.openpbs.org/u/JulioCesarChaves)\
**Post date:** [November 16, 2024, 9:19pm UTC](https://community.openpbs.org/t/openpbs-support-on-ubuntu-22-04/3960/3 "2024-11-16T21:19:18Z")

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I’m facing this right now. I’ll try to compile from the source and let you know.

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**Author:** ![JulioCesarChaves](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.openpbs.org/juliocesarchaves/32/760_2.png) [@JulioCesarChaves](https://community.openpbs.org/u/JulioCesarChaves)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 1:38pm UTC](https://community.openpbs.org/t/openpbs-support-on-ubuntu-22-04/3960/4 "2024-11-20T13:38:01Z")

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1  
git clone [GitHub - openpbs/openpbs: An HPC workload manager and job scheduler for desktops, clusters, and clouds.](https://github.com/openpbs/openpbs.git)

2  
apt install gcc make libtool libhwloc-dev libx11-dev   
libxt-dev libedit-dev libical-dev ncurses-dev perl   
postgresql-server-dev-all postgresql-contrib python3-dev tcl-dev tk-dev swig   
libexpat-dev libssl-dev libxext-dev libxft-dev autoconf   
automake g++ libcjson-dev

3  
cd openpbs  
./autogen.sh  
./configure --prefix=/opt/pbs  
make  
sudo make install

4  
sudo /opt/pbs/libexec/pbs\_postinstall

5  
edit /etc/pbs.conf and set PBS\_START\_MOM=1  
chmod 4755 /opt/pbs/sbin/pbs\_iff /opt/pbs/sbin/pbs\_rcp

Attention: it will not work on 127.0.0.1. I had to create a name referencing the real IP address. You may check this with `netstat -anp`. If you see 127.0.0.1:15001 it will fail. If you see 0.0.0.0:15001 it may work.

In Ubuntu 22.04 you will use `sudo systemctl start pbs` instead of

```bash
sudo service pbs_server start
sudo service pbs_sched start
sudo service pbs_mom start

```

As root, you need to create the master PBS node.  
Imagine that my hostname is gput4:

`qmgr -c "create node gput4"`

I did a dummy test and it worked, now I’m figuring out how to add more nodes.

References:  
[1] [Installing TORQUE](https://docs.adaptivecomputing.com/torque/5-0-0/Content/topics/torque/1-installConfig/installing.htm)  
[4] [Installing TORQUE](http://docs.adaptivecomputing.com/torque/4-1-3/Content/topics/1-installConfig/installing.htm)

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**Author:** ![dholler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@dholler](https://community.openpbs.org/u/dholler)\
**Post date:** [December 6, 2024, 3:57pm UTC](https://community.openpbs.org/t/openpbs-support-on-ubuntu-22-04/3960/5 "2024-12-06T15:57:06Z")

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Thank you Julio. I get this error when running pbsnodes -a:  
pbsnodes -a  
Connection refused  
pbsnodes: cannot connect to server ubuntu, error=15010

My server is named “ubuntu”. Everything in your instructions seemed to work, and I see pbs running in the systemctl output. Could this be something I can solve?

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**Author:** ![adarsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f07891/32.png) [@adarsh](https://community.openpbs.org/u/adarsh)\
**Post date:** [December 7, 2024, 10:35am UTC](https://community.openpbs.org/t/openpbs-support-on-ubuntu-22-04/3960/6 "2024-12-07T10:35:58Z")

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Please the /etc/hosts file and /etc/pbs.conf of the PBS Server.

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**Author:** ![dholler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@dholler](https://community.openpbs.org/u/dholler)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 5:47pm UTC](https://community.openpbs.org/t/openpbs-support-on-ubuntu-22-04/3960/7 "2024-12-09T17:47:41Z")

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Here is the /etc/hosts file:

127.0.1.1 ubuntu  
127.0.0.1 localhost  
::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback  
ff02::1 ip6-allnodes  
ff02::2 ip6-allrouters

And here is the /etc/pbs.conf file:  
PBS\_SERVER=ubuntu  
PBS\_START\_SERVER=1  
PBS\_START\_SCHED=1  
PBS\_START\_COMM=1  
PBS\_START\_MOM=1  
PBS\_EXEC=/opt/pbs  
PBS\_HOME=/var/spool/pbs  
PBS\_CORE\_LIMIT=unlimited  
PBS\_SCP=/usr/bin/scp

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**Author:** ![adarsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f07891/32.png) [@adarsh](https://community.openpbs.org/u/adarsh)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 10:15pm UTC](https://community.openpbs.org/t/openpbs-support-on-ubuntu-22-04/3960/8 "2024-12-09T22:15:12Z")

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Thank you @dholler

> [@dholler](#):
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> 127.0.1.1 ubuntu

This is the problem, replace this loopback with static IP address for the host.  
Please follow this: [Job stack in queue after fresh install | Permission error 15008](https://community.openpbs.org/t/job-stack-in-queue-after-fresh-install-permission-error-15008/2466)

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**Author:** ![dholler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@dholler](https://community.openpbs.org/u/dholler)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 4:18pm UTC](https://community.openpbs.org/t/openpbs-support-on-ubuntu-22-04/3960/9 "2024-12-10T16:18:43Z")

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Thank you @adarsh. After following the other thread, I get the correct output for this:

> pbs\_hostn -v ubuntu  
> primary name: ubuntu (from gethostbyname())  
> aliases: -none-  
> address length: 4 bytes  
> address: (17043628 dec) name: ubuntu

However, I still get this error with pbsnodes:

> pbsnodes -a  
> Connection refused  
> pbsnodes: cannot connect to server ubuntu, error=15010

My Ubuntu firewall is inactive and here is my updated /etc/hosts file:

> cat /etc/hosts  
> ubuntu  
> localhost

I removed the static IP from these command outputs, but it indeed shows up in the terminal. Do I need to adjust settings for port 15010?

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**Author:** ![adarsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f07891/32.png) [@adarsh](https://community.openpbs.org/u/adarsh)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 5:32pm UTC](https://community.openpbs.org/t/openpbs-support-on-ubuntu-22-04/3960/10 "2024-12-10T17:32:12Z")

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Request to please ready this document

> **[pbsworks\_whitepaper\_pbsprofessional\_virtualtestcluster\_ubuntu\_02202020.pdf](https://altair.com/docs/default-source/resource-library/pbsworks_whitepaper_pbsprofessional_virtualtestcluster_ubuntu_02202020.pdf?sfvrsn=8707b66b_3)**
>
> 570.18 KB

> [@dholler](#):
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> cat /etc/hosts  
> ubuntu  
> localhost

Your /etc/hosts needs to be updated,  
For example:  
192.168.65.190 (servernode) , 192.168.65.191 (compute1), 192.168.65.192 (compute2)are the static IP associated with the respect hostnames

```auto
pbsdata@servernode:~$ cat /etc/hosts
127.0.0.1	localhost
192.168.65.190 servernode
192.168.65.191 compute1
192.168.65.192 compute2

# The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
fe00::0 ip6-localnet
ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
ff02::2 ip6-allrouters

```

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**Author:** ![dholler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@dholler](https://community.openpbs.org/u/dholler)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 5:43pm UTC](https://community.openpbs.org/t/openpbs-support-on-ubuntu-22-04/3960/11 "2024-12-10T17:43:08Z")

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Thank you, I will read the document you sent. I am using one server node as my compute node. I understand how the IPs normally point to other nodes, but not sure what else I need to do for my machine yet.

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**Author:** ![adarsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f07891/32.png) [@adarsh](https://community.openpbs.org/u/adarsh)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 10:27pm UTC](https://community.openpbs.org/t/openpbs-support-on-ubuntu-22-04/3960/12 "2024-12-10T22:27:13Z")

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You would like to run all in one node - PBS Server , Scheduler, Mom  
Then, your configuration with respect to /etc/pbs.conf is correct  
Make sure : 15001 to 15009 , 17001 , 22 ports are open for communication within that node ( of you can disable the firewal, if it not in dmz)

> [@dholler](#):
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> And here is the /etc/pbs.conf file:  
> PBS\_SERVER=ubuntu  
> PBS\_START\_SERVER=1  
> PBS\_START\_SCHED=1  
> PBS\_START\_COMM=1  
> PBS\_START\_MOM=1  
> PBS\_EXEC=/opt/pbs  
> PBS\_HOME=/var/spool/pbs  
> PBS\_CORE\_LIMIT=unlimited  
> PBS\_SCP=/usr/bin/scp

Make your your host “ubuntu” is given a static ip and is populated in the /etc/hosts  
Restart the PBS Services once these changes are made. If there are any issues. Share the screenshot and logs from the /var/spool/pbs folder

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**Author:** ![dholler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@dholler](https://community.openpbs.org/u/dholler)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2024, 2:28pm UTC](https://community.openpbs.org/t/openpbs-support-on-ubuntu-22-04/3960/13 "2024-12-11T14:28:22Z")

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Thank you @adarsh. I opened those ports and restarted PBS, but no luck yet. Here is the /var/spool/pbs/server\_logs/20241211 file:

> cat /var/spool/pbs/server\_logs/20241211  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:32;0002;Server@ubuntu;Svr;Log;Log opened  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:32;0002;Server@ubuntu;Svr;Server@ubuntu;pbs\_version=23.06.06  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:32;0002;Server@ubuntu;Svr;Server@ubuntu;pbs\_build=mach=N/A:security=N/A:configure\_args=N/A  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:32;0002;Server@ubuntu;Svr;Server@ubuntu;hostname=ubuntu;pbs\_leaf\_name=N/A;pbs\_mom\_node\_name=N/A  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:32;0002;Server@ubuntu;Svr;Server@ubuntu;ipv4 interface lo: localhost  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:32;0002;Server@ubuntu;Svr;Server@ubuntu;ipv4 interface enp5s0: ubuntu  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:32;0002;Server@ubuntu;Svr;Server@ubuntu;ipv6 interface lo: localhost  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:32;0002;Server@ubuntu;Svr;Server@ubuntu;ipv6 interface enp5s0: ubuntu  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:32;0006;Server@ubuntu;Fil;Server@ubuntu;Version 23.06.06, started, initialization type = 1  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:32;0002;Server@ubuntu;Svr;Server@ubuntu;pbs\_status\_db exit code 1  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:32;0002;Server@ubuntu;Svr;Server@ubuntu;Starting PBS dataservice  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:35;0002;Server@ubuntu;Svr;Server@ubuntu;connected to PBS dataservice@ubuntu  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:35;0d80;Server@ubuntu;TPP;Server@ubuntu(Main Thread);TPP authentication method = resvport  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:35;0c06;Server@ubuntu;TPP;Server@ubuntu(Main Thread);TPP leaf node names = 172.16.4.1:15001,127.0.0.1:15001,172.16.4.1:15001  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:35;0d80;Server@ubuntu;TPP;Server@ubuntu(Main Thread);Initializing TPP transport Layer  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:35;0d80;Server@ubuntu;TPP;Server@ubuntu(Main Thread);Max files allowed = 16384  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:35;0d80;Server@ubuntu;TPP;Server@ubuntu(Main Thread);TPP initialization done  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:35;0d80;Server@ubuntu;TPP;Server@ubuntu(Main Thread);Connecting to pbs\_comm ubuntu:17001  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:35;0c06;Server@ubuntu;TPP;Server@ubuntu(Thread 0);Thread ready  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:35;0002;Server@ubuntu;n/a;setup\_env;read environment from /var/spool/pbs/pbs\_environment  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:35;0000;Server@ubuntu;Svr;Server@ubuntu;Supported authentication method: resvport  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:35;0c06;Server@ubuntu;TPP;Server@ubuntu(Thread 0);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:35;0c06;Server@ubuntu;TPP;Server@ubuntu(Thread 0);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:35;0c06;Server@ubuntu;TPP;Server@ubuntu(Thread 0);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:35;0c06;Server@ubuntu;TPP;Server@ubuntu(Thread 0);Registering address 172.16.4.1:15001 to pbs\_comm ubuntu:17001  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:35;0c06;Server@ubuntu;TPP;Server@ubuntu(Thread 0);Connected to pbs\_comm ubuntu:17001  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:35;0c06;Server@ubuntu;TPP;Server@ubuntu(Thread 0);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:35;0c06;Server@ubuntu;TPP;Server@ubuntu(Thread 0);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:35;0002;Server@ubuntu;Svr;Server@ubuntu;Stopping PBS dataservice  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:36;0c06;Server@ubuntu;TPP;Server@ubuntu(Thread 0);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
> 12/11/2024 09:14:36;0c06;Server@ubuntu;TPP;Server@ubuntu(Thread 0);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box

And here is the /var/spool/pbs/comm\_logs/20241211 file:  
12/11/2024 09:14:32;0002;Comm@ubuntu;Svr;Log;Log opened  
12/11/2024 09:14:32;0002;Comm@ubuntu;Svr;Comm@ubuntu;pbs\_version=23.06.06  
12/11/2024 09:14:32;0002;Comm@ubuntu;Svr;Comm@ubuntu;pbs\_build=mach=N/A:security=N/A:configure\_args=N/A  
12/11/2024 09:14:32;0002;Comm@ubuntu;Svr;Comm@ubuntu;hostname=ubuntu;pbs\_leaf\_name=N/A;pbs\_mom\_node\_name=N/A  
12/11/2024 09:14:32;0002;Comm@ubuntu;Svr;Comm@ubuntu;ipv4 interface lo: localhost  
12/11/2024 09:14:32;0002;Comm@ubuntu;Svr;Comm@ubuntu;ipv4 interface enp5s0: ubuntu  
12/11/2024 09:14:32;0002;Comm@ubuntu;Svr;Comm@ubuntu;ipv6 interface lo: localhost  
12/11/2024 09:14:32;0002;Comm@ubuntu;Svr;Comm@ubuntu;ipv6 interface enp5s0: ubuntu  
12/11/2024 09:14:32;0002;Comm@ubuntu;Svr;Comm@ubuntu;/opt/pbs/sbin/pbs\_comm ready (pid=2173384), Proxy Name:ubuntu:17001, Threads:4  
12/11/2024 09:14:32;0000;Comm@ubuntu;Svr;Comm@ubuntu;Supported authentication method: resvport  
12/11/2024 09:14:32;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 1);Thread ready  
12/11/2024 09:14:32;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 0);Thread ready  
12/11/2024 09:14:32;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 3);Thread ready  
12/11/2024 09:14:32;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 2);Thread ready  
12/11/2024 09:14:32;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 0);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:14:32;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 0);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:14:32;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 1);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:14:32;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 1);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:14:32;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 1);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:14:32;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 1);tfd=14, Leaf registered address 172.16.4.1:15003  
12/11/2024 09:14:34;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 1);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:14:34;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 1);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:14:34;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 1);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:14:35;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 0);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:14:35;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 0);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:14:35;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 2);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:14:35;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 2);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:14:35;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 2);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:14:35;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 2);tfd=16, Leaf registered address 172.16.4.1:15001  
12/11/2024 09:14:36;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 1);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:14:36;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 1);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:14:36;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 1);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:14:36;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 1);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:14:36;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 2);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:14:37;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 2);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:14:37;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 2);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:14:37;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 2);tfd=16, Connection from leaf 172.16.4.1:15001 down  
12/11/2024 09:14:37;0c06;Comm@ubuntu;TPP;Comm@ubuntu(Thread 1);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box

The last line is repeated every 10 seconds, so I didn’t post all those repeats. Similar errors show up in the /var/spool/pbs/mom\_logs/20241211 file:  
12/11/2024 09:21:18;0c06;pbs\_mom;TPP;pbs\_mom(Thread 0);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:21:36;0002;pbs\_mom;Svr;pbs\_mom;HELLO sent to server at ubuntu:15001, stream:42  
12/11/2024 09:21:36;0c06;pbs\_mom;TPP;pbs\_mom(Thread 0);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:21:36;0c06;pbs\_mom;TPP;pbs\_mom(Thread 0);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:21:36;0c06;pbs\_mom;TPP;pbs\_mom(Thread 0);tpp\_mbox\_read;Unable to read from msg box  
12/11/2024 09:21:36;0001;pbs\_mom;Svr;pbs\_mom;im\_eof, Premature end of message from addr 172.16.4.1:15001 on stream 42  
12/11/2024 09:21:36;0002;pbs\_mom;Svr;im\_eof;Server closed connection.

I found [this thread](https://community.openpbs.org/t/unable-to-read-msg-box-when-job-attempts-to-run-on-node/3879/8) that says the error was addressed. I will reach out there too.